Sisimuka Uganda founder and Chief strategist, Frank Gashumba has said that comparing former Forum for Democratic Change (FDC) president, Dr. Kizza Besigye to National Unity Platform President (NUP) Robert Kyagulanyi alias Bobi Wine is an insult.
In an interview with the Grapevine, Gashumba stressed that Dr. Besigye is a certified war lion whereas Bobi Wine is a certified rabbit.
Gashumba further noted that until Kyagulanyi comes out to condemn the youth who insult people on social media, he will not leave him to have peace.
He also emphasized that he wants to show Kyagulanyi’s supporters, especially the young people that Kyagulanyi is not in any struggle to liberate the country, his struggle is for his family and self-empowerment.

Below is Gashumba’s conversation with theGrapevine;
Grapevine; What exactly is disorganising you and Bobi Wine?
Gashumba; This is how it started, I was invited to attend Lt. Gen. Muhoozi Kainerugaba’s birthday in Lugogo which I attended. Sometime later, NBS inviteed me for their talk show called Barometer and the first question the moderator asked me was, “Gashumba you attended Muhoozi’s party, how was it?” I told him it was beyond a birthday party, it was big and I used a luganda word ‘asimbudde’ but I think that word did not sink in well with the fanatics and talibans of Kyagulanyi.
Grapevine; Have you ever taken time to talk to Bobi Wine about his supporters who keep insulting people on social media?
Gashumba; One day I met him (Bobi Wine) in Munyonyo and told him about the Turkey based blogger, Fred Lumbuye because nobody has preached the gospel of hate against Banyarwanda like that man. But he told me he has no control over those people and yet I learned from a close source of Bobi Wine that Lumbuye works for him and is even on his payroll.
Grapevine; Speaking of Lumbuye, are you still beefing with him?
Gashumba; I don’t have any beef with Lumbuye because who is he anyway? And another thing, the things he does he cannot even do when he is here in Uganda and if he thinks he is powerful enough let him come and do them from here.
Grapevine; You talked of NUP being an NRM project, what evidence do you have?
Gashumba; It is not once or twice that I find Barbie Kyagulanyi at State House, Entebbe. When I go to State House, I go there in broad daylight, so it is not once or twice that I find her there. Let her tell us what she is always doing there. They are saying they are removing a dictator but they are dining with a dictator.
Grapevine; You normally visit President Museveni, what is the relationship between you and the president and what do you always talk about?
Gashumba; Normally when the president calls you, he doesn’t tell you why he has called you. And as for me, the many times I have met with the President, it is always something to do with the rights of Banyarwanda in Uganda because he knows how deeply I feel about them.
Grapevine; How far have you gone with your proposal to rebrand Banyarwanda tribe to Bavandimwe in Uganda so that they are accommodated in the national constitution?
Gashumba; We are working on it and actually gave in our submission to the select committee in parliament which was compiling those people who wanted to be incorporated in the Constitution of Uganda. We met them shortly before the death of Jacob Oulanyah and I’m still going to Parliament to meet the Speaker Rt. Hon. Anita Among on the same issue. Much as we are pursuing the line of re-branding, we must continue fighting for the rights of our people. The process of re-branding may however take some time but as it takes time, the rights of Banyarwanda living in Uganda must be treated like any other tribes in Uganda.
Grapevine; So many times, we have seen you dine with the NRM party, FDC and sometimes with NUP, which political party do you belong to?
Gashumba; I don’t have a political party but I have always voted for Dr.Kizza Besigye, I don’t hold a card for any political party.
Grapevine; If Besigye came back in the race, would do you go back to him?
Gashumba; No, unless he is backed by the military. Nobody will ever dislodge this regime using the power of words.

Grapevine; Which reason would you give for supporting Muhoozi yet you don’t support Museveni?
Gashumba; Muhoozi is different. I don’t know if he is coming in 2026 but I think if I was the President of Uganda I would allow him to come so that when he makes mistakes am still around to correct him.
Grapevine; Do you believe Muhoozi is well prepared to succeed his father as president?
Gashumba; What I saw in Entebbe last Saturday when Muhoozi invited Generals to say hello to people, over 100 generals attended, meaning the High Command sat in Entebbe. He invited over 270 Members of Parliament the Deputy Speaker inclusive meaning Parliament would also convene from there. So, such actions speak louder than words. And there is a big difference between Museveni and Muhoozi. People want change and they are going to see it.
Grapevine; You are one of the people who love change in this country, what do you think is failing government?
Gashumba; First of all we are not in Europe, we are not in America, we are in Africa. Don’t ever dare to think or dream that you can dislodge Museveni through votes. He came came into power using the gun and that is how he will go.
Grapevine; Can you assess for our readers Dr. Besigye and Bobi Wine in terms of the struggle to remove Museveni?
Gashumba; That is an insult of the highest level. Besigye is a certified war lion and Bobi Wine is a certified rabbit. Comparing them is like telling me to liken Djibouti and America. They don’t match.

Grapevine; Did you forgive the Chieftiancy Military Intelligence (CMI) operatives who arrested you and failed to prosecute you?
Gashumba; No. Actually we are in court, I will never forgive them. Those idiots really destroyed my name. Whatever they did was just to degrade me in the public. I will never forgive them. And this has taken so long because those are the days where the rift between Uganda and Rwanda was at boiling point level.
Grapevine; Do you believe that Uganda Rwanda problems have been solved and there is no more tension?
Gashumba; No. What Muhoozi did to reunite Uganda and Rwanda was very good but it has to move beyond Muhoozi to institutions. Muhoozi brokered the deal so let institutions take over. Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Rwanda should work hand in hand with Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Uganda and other institutions. It beats my understanding how Rwanda and Uganda would end up in a fight.
Grapevine; Is Sisimuka Uganda still active?
Gashumba; Activities of Sisimuka Uganda used to often be on Radio one and Akaboozi but I was expelled from the radios. So, we have a radio we are negotiating with but the process requires a lot of money.
Grapevine; How do you feel that Bobi Wine is not able to respond to your allegations?
Gashumba; Those are his games, that is his nature. He doesn’t reply he sends his supporters. But am sure he has heard me and I know he is feeling the heat.
Grapevine; Do you believe that ‘Mwanyi terimba’ will revive Buganda’s lost glory as many claim at Mengo?
Gashumba; That doesn’t exist. Have you ever seen a country develop on just these small hoes. Countries develop on large scale farming.
Grapevine; Could you list five big problems Ugandans need to resolve.
Gashumba; The only problems Ugandans needs to resolve are leadership and mindset change.
Grapevine; Assess the current Parliament and the previous one.
Gashumba; The current Parliament is sick. But you see people vote for leaders who look like them.

Grapevine; Mr. Gashumba, are you happy with the way your daughter behaves and how do you feel about the public criticizing her?
Gashumba; Those who criticize Sheila are the ones who envy her. First of all, some people hate her because of the name Gashumba and others hate her because she has achieved alot. Sheila is the most highly paid media personality in Uganda. She makes over Shs.50m per month so that is why they criticise her. But my advice to them is let them use the time they spend criticizing her, to raise their children.
Grapevine; Any last words give to Ugandans as Gashumba?
Gashumba; There is no politician who is going to change your life. Politics in Uganda changes a leader who has been voted into power therefore if you are to vote, don’t vote thinking that that leader is going to change your life.
If voting was to be used to change Uganda, we would be more like South Korea or Japan because we vote every after five years.
By Kalamira Hope
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